Gaddafi’s son says western powers attacking Libya are ‘legitimate targets’

The Guardian Western powers attacking Libya have made themselves “legitimate targets” for retaliation, the son of Muammar Gaddafi has warned.

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi rejected calls for his father to quit Libya as the price of peace with the rebels fighting to overthrow him.

“To tell my father to leave the country, it’s a joke, he told the French TV channel TF1. “We will never surrender. We will fight. It’s our country.

“We have to fight for our country and you are going to be legitimate targets for us.”

Asked if he had a message for the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, one of the prime movers in the Nato offensive, Gaddafi replied: “You are not going to win. You have no chance, zero chance, to win the war here.

“If you are angry with us because we are not buying the Rafale airplanes, you should talk with us,” he added, a reference to the Dassault-built French warplane that Paris had been trying to sell to Tripoli before the uprising against Gaddafi.

“If you are angry with us because oil deals are not going well, you should talk to us. Rebels will not give you anything because they are not going to win.”

The Libyan leader’s son, who like his father is facing an international arrest warrant on charges of crimes against humanity, claimed the regime was prepared to make concessions to some western demands.

“You want democracy, we are ready,” Saif said. “You want elections, we are ready. You want, what, a new constitution? We are ready. Ceasefire? We are ready. But, the other side is refusing, all the time.”

In an audio message played to tens of thousands of supporters in Tripoli’s Green Square on Friday, Gaddafi urged Nato to halt its bombing campaign or risk seeing Libyan fighters descend on Europe “like a swarm of locusts or bees”.

The conflict in Libya is in virtual stalemate, with rebels on three fronts unable to make a decisive advance towards Tripoli and growing strains inside Nato about the cost of the operation and the lack of a military breakthrough.

It was reported on Monday that rebel commanders had slowed their advance on Tripoli because they feared an all-out offensive would cause heavy civilian casualties. The rebels were less than 60 miles from Tripoli, British Forces News said, but claimed they were waiting for an uprising in the capital before they attacked.

Libya will be on the agenda at talks between Russia and Nato on Monday in the southern Russian resort of Sochi. Russia has criticised the bombing campaign, saying the mission has lost its original focus on protecting civilians and now aims to remove Muammar Gaddafi.

Source: The Guardian

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41 Responses to Gaddafi’s son says western powers attacking Libya are ‘legitimate targets’

  1. patriot says:

    British anti-war activist Dr. David Halpin says he hopes that British, American and Israeli politicians responsible for war crimes will be held accountable in his lifetime.

    ‘For the destruction of Iraq and half a million people and maiming of more than two million people, Blair and Straw and Hoon and Campbell… should be in The Hague now, behind bars, while they assemble evidence – it wouldn’t take long actually. Mr. Cameron will be held responsible for what has happened [in Libya]. He’s talking about ‘upping the ante’ and things like that. He means ‘killing more civilians’… It’s unbelievable that the BBC is talking about that in even tones as if it’s all very ordinary,

    • CountOfMonteCristo says:

      With all your fancy decorations of intellectual harping it still fails to mask the fact of how ignorant you really are – whatever pitiful reasons of ‘cut and paste’ you may come up with it doesn’t justify the deaths of many that Gadaffi is clearly responsible for in the past and in the present.
      Do yourself a favour and get a mental check up, and while your at it drag Cynthia McKinney along with you.

      • patriot says:

        Sounds as if you found the right words to describe yourself…

      • patriot says:

        -NATO instigated this war.
        -NATO is bombing Libya.
        -NATO is supplying weapons needed to keep Libyans fighting each other.
        -NATO is emposing embargo that keeps food and fuel from part that supports Libyan government hence imposing collective punishment like that of Gaza.
        -NATO has broken International rules.

        Libyan government and the guide of Revolution didn’t start all this. If you read my comments above you will see that the plan was there and when the opportunity presented itself hawks moved to kill the country.

        NATO and their puppets will be defeated. Libya will prevail!

  2. patriot says:

    The detail is also familiar. The Libyan “pro-democracy rebels” are reportedly commanded by Colonel Khalifa Haftar who, according to a study by the US Jamestown Foundation, set up the Libyan National Army in 1988 “with strong backing from the Central Intelligence Agency”. For the past 20 years, Colonel Haftar has been living not far from Langley, Virginia, home of the CIA, which also provides him with a training camp. The Mujihadeen, which produced al-Qaida, and the Iraqi National Congress, which scripted the Bush/Blair lies about Iraq, were sponsored in the same time-honoured way, in leafy Langley

  3. Hadock says:

    Well, the rebel sure should hope that kaddafy attack european power on their soil, so they remove the gloves and attack him with men and tanks.

  4. patriot says:

    What does the religion say about people who kill others and expect not to be killed. Several sayings exist to warn people to treat others as they would like to be treated.

    - The Golden Rule or ethic of reciprocity is a maxim, ethical code, or moralitythat essentially states either of the following:
    1.One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself (positive form)
    2.One should not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated (negative/prohibitive form, also called the Silver Rule)

    The Golden Rule is arguably the most essential basis for the modern concept of human rights, in which each individual has a right to just treatment, and a reciprocal responsibility to ensure justice for others.

    others are:-

    ***Do not do to others what would anger you if done to you by others.” – Isocrates
    ***What thou avoidest suffering thyself seek not to impose on others.” – Epictetus
    ***Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself.” – Confucius

    What does Christiniaty say:

    Luke 6:3131
    And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

    Confucianism:
    Zi Gong asked, saying, “Is there one word which may serve as a rule of practice for all one’s life?” The Master said, “Is not RECIPROCITY such a word? —Confucius, Analects XV.24 (tr. Chinese Text Project)

    Islam:

    Attacking American civilians is permitted when Muslim civilians have been attacked, in order to deter future attacks on Muslim civilians. “O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman.But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty.” (2:178) “The prohibited month for the prohibited month, and so for all things prohibited, there is the law of equality. If then anyone transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.” (2:194) “If ye punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith ye were afflicted. But if ye endure patiently, verily it is better for the patient.” (16:126) While God prefers restraint and patience, revenge is permitted.

    • Hadock says:

      And what does it say about dictator killing its citizen and expecting to get away with it ?

      • patriot says:

        It says that didn’t happen, however the propaganda behind it has already been exposed.
        We call the spin of killing “old school”

        • Hadock says:

          So, Allah is saying that Kaddafy is good.

          That is really showing how desillusional you are.

          • patriot says:

            So, Allah is saying that Kaddafy is good.

            Why do you always create your own sentences and relate them to me? Where did I mention word “Allah”?

    • CountOfMonteCristo says:

      You really are psychotic…you forgot to quote your satanic books by the way.
      I say ‘do yourself a favour and grab them heavy books and knock yourself unconcious with it’.

  5. benina says:

    mr saif you are the joke..mouth too big…brain too small

  6. Fredy says:

    Good let Gaddafi send some terrorists.

    Maybe that will force Europe to grow some balls and stop calling this a stalmate and crying every time there are civlan casualties.

    First target for those terrorists should be patriot also called “Little Thing.”

  7. Fredy says:

    patriot what about all those protestors who say that Gaddafi has to go?

    Why don’t you talk about them?

    You jerk weed.

  8. Fredy says:

    I didn’t write those posts above.

    Stop making imitations patriot.

    You jerk.

  9. Fredy says:

    admin it’s time to ban patriot again.

    He’s making imitations.

    The guy just can’t stop.

    Grow up fool.

  10. Fredy says:

    Admin
    patriot is trying hard to ban me permanently from your website.
    How come he can impersonate me you and get away with it ?
    He doesn’t know the fire in you admin.
    benina , you are right about a small brain here.
    Please correct this insidious E.D.ot. et. al.
    Kuck , Saif.
    Dispose of personification and all foul language.

  11. a says:

    Saif who? Who is this guy and why is he on french tv? What is his occupation, “son”? Is this a comedy show or what.

    This guy bought himself a false doctor title and does terrible paintings, and is wanted by the International Court for crimes against humanity. Why do they give airtime to such an individual?

    http://gulfnews.com/polopoly_fs/saif-al-islam-gaddafi-dwells-on-the-inspiration-behind-one-of-his-paintings-1.648073!image/1381114423.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_475/1381114423.jpg

  12. h says:

    If Gaddafi is planning to invade Europe, he is probably planning to use boatloads full of people with concealed weapons, pretending to be refugees. He knows that he can’t make any overt movement oversees to Europe by using whatever government ships he has left, because NATO would intercept them.

  13. Psychologist says:

    Patriot is not ignorant. He is not stupid either, for that matter.
    Everyone here must understand the psychology that underlies Patriot’s behavior.

    Patriot’s behavior of preaching the golden rule, when Patriot himself and his idol Gaddafi are quintessential violators of that very rule, is an extremely sociopathic act, the intention being to disrupt truth by falsely portraying himself and his enemies as much as they could possibly be falsely portrayed.

    That brings us to Patriot’s psychological motive.
    Patriot is motivated by the desire to disrupt, which is an innate psychological desire that is rooted in evolutionary psychology. It is the desire to disrupt truth, justice, progress, and beauty. It is the polar opposite of depth, curiosity, and inner beauty. The desire to disrupt could be described as an ‘outward feeling’, a feeling as if oneself is expanded outward and is disrupting everything in one’s path of expansion. People like Patriot, who have disruptive personality disorder, have no appreciation for the beauty in such things as silence, solitude, the subtle sounds of wind, the textures and structures in nature, and the clarity of truth, because such people have no ‘souls’; that is to say, they have no inner beauty, but instead are filled with the exact opposite- inner vulgarity, which is like an ‘anti-soul’.

    Now on to the evolutionary psychological origin.
    It is said that there are two ways to win a foot race: 1. Train hard and outrun your opponent, or 2. Sever your opponent’s hamstrings prior to the race.

    Evolutionary psychology works on the same principle: You can either out-compete other individuals by being fitter and besting them in fair competition, or you can ‘cheat’ by falsely portraying yourself and your opponents, or using other such underhanded methods to allow geneticly inferior individuals to be victorious. Such underhanded methods of selection are the evolutionary root of disruptive personality disorder.

    Those ancient selected behaviors, both good and bad, are present today. NATO demonstrates the honest and honorable method, by proving it’s worth through it’s good deeds, whereas Gaddafi and Patriot demonstrate the underhanded method, by lying about the deeds and ethics of themselves and their enemies.

    • a says:

      But if the “geneticly inferior individuals” with their “underhanded methods” are victorious over the “superior individuals” it only means they were smarter than the “superior”, and thus fitter for the survival of the fittest, and superior. Think of a smart human fighting a lion with a trap. I’m not sure if this whole theory works here.

      I am also not sure what patriots motives are, maybe he just clings to something he once really believed in and cant let go, maybe its just a job, maybe he is dependent on Gaddafis regime somehow, or maybe he just hates “the west”, or his twisted cliche image of the west… whatever. Who cares? He is fanatic, but he argues and states things, so one can argue with him on that basis. And he is brave, alone against everyone else here, as all the other many Gaddafi fans have not yet shown up here. So one should not treat him too harsh. He is spreading propaganda, but by doing so aknowledges that discussion and dialogue and convincing others are essential. He gets angry when he is not treated well, he demands his rights, and he demands freedom of speech for him. So basically he has already internalized some principles of democracy and a civil society. He demnds rights he would not have in Gaddafis Libya. He may think that he is brainwashing or “enlightening” us, but it seems it rather goes the other way round :)

      • CountOfMonteCristo says:

        The only thing that I do not agree with you here is when you stated that Patridiot as being ‘brave’.
        Anyone can be brave behind a keyboard providing he/she stayed anonymous – if anything this sad case is enjoying all the attention here.

      • Mike says:

        So when Gaddafi uses his propaganda machine to fool many Libyans into thinking that NATO is attacking civilians, you think that that makes Gaddafi intelligent and superior like a human trapping a lion? You’re sick.

  14. patriot says:

    That is what I call pure bullshit. Now listen to this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRw7DKqjq3k

    • CountOfMonteCristo says:

      Now look what you’ve done Patridiot, you got the attention of a psychologist here – my bad, so you’re not ignorant or stupid just a sad case with a disruptive mental personality disorder (although in my diagnosis I call it ‘attention seeking deficit disorder’).
      You should seriously take note of what the Psychologist have stated here before you find yourself locked up in a four wall padded cell, and consider yourself lucky getting a ‘free’ professional mental evaluation, with great compliment to Psychologist!
      Now we know – I forgive you only because you suffer from a mental disorder.

  15. Fredy says:

    Admin
    Until now patriot has used my name to post his comments 5 times. Two are really mine.
    Thanks,
    Fredy
    It’s funny, but Saif sounds like patriot. They are comedians.

    It’s all about the buggy ,buggy for them in public.

    Behind the cameras they talk, the talk of money and power. No Saif , Libya is not a cartel , nor an enterprise,the people do not work for you,Libya does not need you. Crooks in Libya need you and want you. These crooks teach their children how to love you comedian. You are a joke.

    Saif , there is a 100,000.00 thousand dollar razor blade for you to remove you anti-aestethic beard.Yes, is in the market for the money wasters like you.

    Your father stole from Libya 42 years and many lives. You have even use fire to torture people. It’s a joke ?

    You probably are going to ask for the Libyan rebels to kick you in the balls then burn you ,drag you, shit on, you violate you, then shoot you while you say. No, this is not real. You are dead Saif already. It’s all a joke. Right patriot? It’s all a joke.
    7 lies in 2 minutes Ahhhhhh…… It’s a joke.

    People without principles in rule are tyrants . They can have Charisma. They can be funny. Buggy buggy money money bloody bloody funny funny goody goody . This is their language.

    Drop dead.

    The Day of Independence 1776-2011
    Happy 4th of July ( the day we got rid of the British invasion )

  16. Fredy says:

    A question to the psychologist ?
    Is patriot a sociopath or not and Why ?
    Thanks
    Fredy

  17. Richard From France says:

    I do not think that Patriot is a maddafi’s agent. He is just a disabled bloke saying stupid things for the sole purpose of being unpleasant. Perhaps if there is a pro-maddafi forum somewhere, he plays the rebel to bother the people here – save that, on a pro-maddafi forum, he will be ejected at once.

    On a pro-maddafi forum, he would be ejected at once, as maddafi and his psychos are not democratic, they are psychologically unable to deal with other opinions than theirs.

    On this pro-Libya forum, Patriot was allowed, in the sake of freedom of speech and democracy… and of patience. However too much freedom of speech kills freedom of speech. How? just look at this thread: all the posts are about patriot. 2 posts about the topic (Saif) look out of place. And this is lasting for two weeks already. Where to discuss of Libya and revolution now? Why to post on a forum about an anonymous psychopath mocking at us? I do not see at all the point for this.

    This is why I respectuously ask the admin of this forum to put an end to this. You may request users to be registered (as I did) to post here, so that if somebody is problematic he can be ousted – in order to defend democracy and freedom of speech. The freedom of speech of all the others who have something to say. Only one person monopolizing a collective expression channel to always bray the same thing is not freedom of speech, it is an indirect censorship of the others.

    If patriot had been in Misrata two months ago, the rebels would have deal with him as needed. But I bet he never was in such a place. He is just living in slippers in the basement of his mother’s house, eating big macs. he screams on various forums, but he takes no actual risk.

    Libyans are discovering democracy. We do not need rifles to live in a democracy, certainly. But you will soon (now) discover that democracy is a constant fight, against all those who want to cheat with it, against all those who disrupt social life, like this bloke, for the mere pleasure of feeling important and inflating their ego.

    I have some experience as moderator. I know that expelling silently the disruptive persons is the best way to do. Because, when there is a bad mood in a place, many people leave, far before the disruption becomes the main thing.

    And it is a very bad service to patriot to play his game, it just increases his symptoms and decreases his chances to cure.

  18. Fredy says:

    Well done Richard :
    It sounds to me like you studied this alien by the name of patriot very well.
    I hope the admin gets rid of him
    He posted some offenses against the admin yesterday.
    That’s a no,no.
    He impersonated me like 8 times yesterday.
    He often mocks the suffering of the victims of the Maddafi regime.
    He is an offense to the Libyan Revolution.

    • Richard From France says:

      Thanks for your appreciation, but please don’t feed fodder to him: it is precisely what he wants. Ignore him, this avoids to inflate the issue.

  19. Fredy says:

    The intellectual IQ of sociopaths can be very high. Their Emotional IQ is low.