Muammar Gaddafi threatens European ‘homes, offices, families’

The Guardian A defiant Muammar Gaddafi has threatened to bring war to the “homes, offices, families,” of Europe unless Nato stops airstrikes against his regime in Libya.

The Guardian The Libyan leader, facing an international arrest warrant for his brutal response to the rebel uprising, delivered the warning of vengeance in an audio message played to thousands of supporters in Tripoli’s Green Square.

“These people [the Libyans] are able to one day take this battle … to Europe, to target your homes, offices, families, which would become legitimate military targets, like you have targeted our homes,” he said.

“We can decide to treat you in a similar way. If we decide to, we are able to move to Europe like locusts, like bees. We advise you to retreat before you are dealt a disaster.”

Libyan state TV’s calls for a “million man march” produced one of the biggest pro-government rallies in recent weeks. Thousands of people in the city’s main square carried Gaddafi’s picture, waved green flags, unfurled green banners and let rip with a crescendo of shooting into the air.

Gaddafi addressed the mass gathering by speaking from an unknown location amid ongoing official concerns that he could be targeted for assassination.

He denounced the rebels as traitors and blamed them for Libya’s troubles. He said Libyans who fled to neighboring Tunisia are now “working as maids for the Tunisians. What brought you to this stage? The traitors.”

He urged his supporters to “march on the western mountains” to clear the area of weapons the French government delivered to the rebels there several days ago.

Among those in the crowd was Ize al-Den. “We’re supporting the leader,” the 38-year-old shop worker said. “He’s our father. He runs in all Libyans’ blood. Nato is not coming to protect civilians; there are other ways without bombing people. Look at Iraq: they want to steal our oil and control us.”

A soldier, who gave only his first name Fuad, 35, added: “All the people are here by their own will. Almost all people in Tripoli are against Nato. The leader is doing very well, very wisely.”

Abeellahm Ismaein, 33, an engineer, said: “This is not supporting the leader, it is supporting the country. The leader did not organise this demo; the people did. If Nato bombs Tripoli, the people will die here.”

The demonstration came four days after the International Criminal Court issued arrest warrants for Gaddafi, his son Saif al-Islam Gaddafi and Libyan intelligence chief Abdullah al-Sanoussi for crimes against humanity.

Source: The Guardian

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42 Responses to Muammar Gaddafi threatens European ‘homes, offices, families’

  1. patriot says:

    I support Gaddafi, Libya can’t be like Jesus to turn the other cheek. To let these war mongers get away with killing civilians would be a crime.
    T
    hey always feel their blood is more precious than that of others, example:-

    – Iran Air Flight 655 (IR655) was a civilian jet airliner shot down by U.S. missiles on 3 July 1988, over the Strait of Hormuz, toward the end of the Iran–Iraq War. The aircraft, an Airbus A300B2-203 operated by Iran Air, was flying from Bandar Abbas, Iran, to Dubai, United Arab Emirates, when it was destroyed by the U.S. Navy’s guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 66 children, ranking it seventh among the deadliest airliner fatalities. It was the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Indian Ocean and the highest death toll of any incident involving an Airbus A300 anywhere in the world. Vincennes was traversing the Strait of Hormuz, inside Iranian territorial waters, and at the time of the attack IR655 was within Iranian airspace.

    In February 1996 the United States agreed to pay Iran US$131.8 million in settlement to discontinue a case brought by Iran in 1989 against the U.S. in the International Court of Justice relating to this incident, together with other earlier claims before the Iran-United States Claims Tribunal.[6] US$61.8 million of the claim was in compensation for the 248 Iranians killed in the shootdown ($300,000 per wage-earning victim, $150,000 per non-wage-earner). It was not disclosed how the remaining $70 million of the settlement was apportioned. Further compensation was paid for the 38 non-Iranian deaths. The payment of compensation was explicitly characterized by the US as being on an ex gratia basis, and the U.S. denied having any responsibility or liability for what happened.

    How many people know US killed innocent people? All you hear it Lockerbie…Lockerbie….Lockerbie. Both cases have been closed by compensations but one party feels their blood is more precious!

    And what happened to officers who shot the plane?
    In 1990, Rogers was awarded the Legion of Merit “for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding service as commanding officer … from April 1987 to May 1989.” The award was given for his service as the Commanding Officer of the Vincennes, and the citation made no mention of the downing of Iran Air 655.

  2. Fredy says:

    Sounds like Maddafi is getting desperate.

    Those people he spoke can go to a rally but they are not serius about marching on Nafusa Mountains.
    They are old men and women.
    They do not have the courage of the NLA.

    We just need some courage from NATO and the TNC to equip the NLA with good weapons.
    Stop drawing red lines and spending on money to be comfortable.

    • patriot says:

      Rebels are terrorists that are terrorizing cities and towns. Attacking utilities that feed civilians to win a war?
      Of course NATO, UN and their puppets are clapping, what do they care about civilians? They say, “we are protecting civilians”.

      – Denying people fuel and food
      – Cutting their electricity

      Is a new definition of “protecting civilians”

    • Ixelles / uccle / ... says:

      The rebels and Sarko made big mistakes inducting tribes reactions with kaddafi…Stop now and negotiate a part of the power ..than let the democraty come in or you are getting out forever..because when the poeple starve he wont forget…look Iraq…Europe is not USA to resist years of empty war

      • Hadock says:

        Negociating with kaddafy ?

        You must at least trust the word of your ennemy to make pease, and kaddafy has proven a liar many times.

        Even if we made peace today, he would make terrorist attack tommorow. So there is only way out of this, and it does not include kaddafy. The sames applies for rebels. If they did keep their region, kaddafy would only use the extra time they give him to stage attacks and traiterous blows.

        • Christine says:

          I think Hadock in right on the money here…as much as I would like to see peace restored soon in Libya, as long as Gadaffi and his clan are still living and breathing – no one is safe.

          History is a great prediction of the future – Gadaffi has lost his credibility a long time ago and trusting him would be anything but foolish.

  3. sesli chat says:

    din kardeşlerimizin hep yanında ve destekçisiyiz

    • patriot says:

      kardeşler dışında saldırganlığına karşı birlikte sopa gerek

      • Mark says:

        Translation (from turkish) :

        sesli :
        always next to our brothers in religion and supporters

        patriot :
        brothers need to stick together against outside aggression

        sooo … patriot is actually a fucking islamist. The fact that he is opposing the intervention in libya assure me that we are doing the right thing.

        • Mohammad says:

          Brother Mark,

          What Islam has to do with the “ideology” being presented by “Patriot”???

          Patriot does not know anything about Islam, nor does he seems to be a Christian as he was using abusive language against Prophet Issa in his early post: “Libya can’t be like Jesus to turn the other cheek”. (Posted on July 2, 2011 at 9:22 am)

          The most interesting thing is that he even does not know anything about Libya and yet he is willing to talk about it in every thread…

          Is it justified to blame “Islam” for his believes or acts?

          • Mark says:

            Well, is one religion to blame for thoses who fight in itd name … its an interesting question, and i would like to answer very carefully.

            Hum hum : “YES”

            A religion is not about what is written is this book or this one, but about how it makes people behave.

            It is true that we cannot judge a whole population by looking at a lone individual, or even at some, but for islam, a good part of thoses believers have fallen into something that cant be the will of God.

          • a says:

            Mohammed,

            I do not think thats justified. But while patriot refrains from quoting religion, his master Gaddafi mixed some kind of Islam with some kind of Stalinism to create his green book ideology. So there is a connection, though a rather weak one. On the other hand, there are also people fighting Gaddafi who define themselves over religion. But the revolution and war, as I see it, is over freedom, democracy, justice and self governing. So I see no connection there.

            The Issa/Jesus quote is not an insult, as this is one of the main messages (theoretically) of the christian believe: that you forgive your enemies, even love them, and if they slap you, you turn the other cheek to them. Hard to believe that, and rarely practiced, but it is written in the bible, it is one of the main messages from Jesus. In fact, this is a radical pacifist vision.

            Now we all know that theory and reality often differ very much regarding believe/religion, and there are many bigot people abusing religion for their own advantage, power, money, fame. For example, I think every single tyrant and warmonger in history since the rise of the three big mideastern religions (there are some more) claimed to have god on his side and was chosen by him. Every arab monarch claims to be a descendent of the original Mohammed (how would one proof that? and what would it mean anyway? Mohammeds prophet status came from his personal life and is not in the genes somehow, and nice fathers sometimes can have evil bad sons…).

            And every western army except maybe the soviet/communist ones, had and has its priests caring for soldiers and telling them it is right what they do. This lead to absurd situations, like in Europe, there once was a 30 year long, terrible war over religion and the right way of worshipping (among other motives). And also later, when european armys fought each other, each one claimed they did it for god, and he was on their side, and would protect only them and crush their enemies. Even recent conflicts like the one in Northern Ireland have both sides claiming religion somehow for them. It gets even worse when people of different religions fight each other, like the crusaders in the middle ages.

            Now I am not a religious person. But I do have respect for and interest in things like religious culture, myths or mysticism, and the role of religion in establishing peace and respect for other people – and most religions do that in their core. But I do not think it is a good idea to mix politics and religion, or even worse, war and religion. Even as a non-religious person I think this violates the principles of religion and is an insult to the wise and spiritual people, who do many good things in the name of their religion, not to mention to the god they worship. Politics with their compromises and sometimes dirty games and lies, and war with all the terror and hurt it brings, no matter how right the cause is, are very “earthly”, human things, and have nothing divine about them. And religions are not rational, thats why you believe in them – or not. Politics, on the other hand, are mostly rational, and should be. This does not mix well. Politics concern all sorts of people with all sorts of believes or ideologies. In a democracy, each one of them has the same rights. So you can not take the principles of one religion and force them on people who do not believe that. You also cannot forbid religion, as this violates the freedom of a person to believe.

            One person might be seeking peace and justice in politics out of religious reasons, but it can also go the other way round, when religion creates hate for others instead of respect.

            So I think religion should be a private thing, and not be forced on others or demanded from others, and not be used as a pretext for other things.

            Regarding Fredy/patriot, I hope the admin does something about it soon, like throwing out Fredy or both for violating basic human behaviour rules and annoying all others.

        • patriot says:

          Thanks Mohammad for some clarification. I really don’t undertand how Mark labeled me as fucking Islamist. Come to think of it…even if was a muslim is it a crime?

          There has been a lot of negative propaganda against Islam since September 11 attack and its very sad Muslims are being profiled as terrorists.

          It seems as if Islamophobia has become an official government policy in the UK. Sheikh Raed Salah, the admired Palestinian leader of the largest civil society body in Israel has been arrested in the UK two days ago. This shouldn’t take us by a big surprise considering the relentless activity of Jewish lobbies in the UK. At the end of the day, the Israelis and their supporters realised long time ago that it is much cheaper to buy a Western politician than buying a tank.

          “The double standards operating here are chilling,” wrote Dr Hanan Chehata in the New Statesman today. “While the government is doing its utmost to change the British laws on Universal Jurisdiction to make it easier for suspected Israeli war criminals to visit the UK without the fear of arrest warrants being issued against them, at the same time they are happy to arrest Palestinian leaders who have committed no crime but are here to expose Israeli war crimes and discuss peaceful methods of resolution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.”

          Gilad Atzmon

  4. patriot says:

    Abeellahm Ismaein, 33, an engineer, said: “This is not supporting the leader, it is supporting the country. The leader did not organise this demo; the people did. If Nato bombs Tripoli, the people will die here.”

    You have divided the civilians in two categories:-

    1 – pro NATO civilians
    2 – pro Libya civilians

    You should re-write the UN resolution from “protecting civilians” to “protecting pro-NATO civilians”

    • patriot, Gaddafi's f&ck friend says:

      “The leader did not organise this demo; the people did”

      Utter, utter and complete crap

      You are so full of sh1t i am surprised you can still breathe…

  5. patriot says:

    Stop using name Ghaddafi to invade Libya.
    Libya is made up of different people and just because the majority of the Libyans support their government you have no right to kill them.

    NATO is the one killing innocent Libyans.
    Terrorists aren’t innocent.

  6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwsz_C0o_KM&NR=1

    A little war music…………..You got it now……….Hilldill muthabucka………..hilldill, have you forgotten so soon………..Have you killed yourGaddaffi soldier today….

  7. Richard From France says:

    I would consider these threats seriously. There are precedents: lockerbie, and others. He may arm AQMI or other morons to make things in Europe or in the USA.

    If this happen, whose who ask for “peace” without removing the cause of the war, may regret it.

    Oh, they are in their well guarded luxury resorts. It is us, common people, who will receive the fire.

    • If Gaddaffi doesn’t old the loot, noone gives a da-mn about his maniacal interest. He is no longer a viable enterprise in anyones eyes. The only people really concerned about his long arms are the heads of the AU. I’m sure they feel he has placed enough speacial interest in their countries to change the dynamic at will..If Gadaffi has done anything, he’s given us all a good hard look at the world leadership. We all know just what we’re dealing with now….

  8. Libya says:

    this man is sick – at the top of the scale. During your 42 years of tyranny, the Libyans have fled the country to work in takeaways in Europe and other low paid jobs. It is not something new for us because of your fucked up tyranny. And now he is coming out and talk about the Libyans working as maids in Tunisia – as if it is something new. I am one of those people who decided to leave Libya 13 years ago because people like Daffy are ruling Libya – and there are many Libyans like me.

    This man when he came to power, he ordered other people from across Libya to come to Tripoli and take by force the properties of the people who live in Tripoli. My family and relatives have been affected by those practices – we still have our own properties stolen by the supporters of this regime.

    This is how Daffy garners support in Libya. Bring the poor, order them to take the properties of the people, issue ownership deeds for the thieves of those properties. So that is why he has supporters – they are partners in crime. They are only protecting themselves. Because when this man/criminal falls, these properties will go back to their rightful owners.

    • Christine says:

      Oh…this is something I haven’t read about, why would he do that? So the original occupants who owns the property in Tripoli do not support him and is that why he made sure that these people are taken out of their properties to be taken over by those in support of him? Did I understand that this correct?
      Just curious as to how many original occupants of these properties were forced out of their homes…hmm more interesting stuff being revealed!
      I have the feeling they will all come out pretty soon.

  9. Christine says:

    Oh God, this is not good…not good at all.

    This is starting to become a total disaster.

    Gadaffi is a chess player and he plays it well…now he has managed to get these people thinking that this war is not about him and the reason for all the bombing.

    As much as I am disappointed to say this – NATO needs to pull out before it gives these people more reason to turn into terrorist and I don’t like that these people are being harmed even though they do support Gadaffi (but then again some may not have any options).

    Speaking of NATO, with all the fire power, resource and intelligence that they have – what’s the hold up in creating an effective plan?

    There has to be a better way…bombing Tripoli is proabably not the best strategy right now and maybe should only be used as a last resort.

    The Freedom Fighters are doing an amazing job at the moment, and by supplying them with weapons by the French is probably the best move at this point of time. They just want to go after the main target…

    There needs to be a way to get the Libyan people of Tripoli to understand and see what this mad man is doing to their country.

  10. Fredy says:

    Hi Libya, Patriot and Mohammad ;

    I am very sorry to hear that the Madaffi Network stole your home Libya.
    The NTC knows that. The people should want their houses back. I suppose it is going to be a slow process to recover all those stolen homes.

    At least there is hope.

    I ran away from NYC to Mexico City and stayed there like 30 years. Once I got to know mexicans a little deeper I realized I had grown to be too different from them and it was time to go back home to NYC. Of course,the circumstances pushed me as well. I felt like an immigrant arriving to NYC for the first time. I was happy to learn I had a home. No family. Just me and my desire to survive.

    I guess Libya you will have to make some choices if you want to recover that asset. I would try without leaving my permanent residence in England. Moving back to Libya is not going to be all that easy. There is a lot to be done .
    Today, I did not even read the article. It sounds like Gaddafi is venting. He should be starting to feel a slow choking sensation. No wonder he is screaming at the world.

    He is just starting to feel the fear .

    To me it’s good news.

    Allahu Akbar

  11. Fredy says:

    Sociopaths can be freaking smart Christine. Baddafi will be defeated but he will leave us all a sour legacy, one we will never forget.

    I wish we could know them before they gain power. That’s the thing.

    Daffi manipulated the poor. Those poor people must be sitting on those homes like if they really earned them.

    Libya if gaining back your home means bloodshed I would say is NOT worth it. The future Libyan Justice System along with the parliament should decide on those relevant issues.

    • Christine says:

      As unfair as it has been to those people of Tripoli who had their house taken away from them by the Gadaffi regime (which must have been a long time ago), I don’t think trying to take them back to it’s rightful owner after this war is over is the best thing to do in trying to rebuild a better future for Libya.

      It will create further tension, hate and revenge amongst the people of Libya and might become a hinder in any efforts to rebuild the country at it’s best.

      The focus needs to be in creating peace amongst Libyan brothers and sisters and most importantly the children who will become the future – they need to be provided with an enviroment where they can feel safe again and role models to look up to.

  12. Fredy says:

    Adapting one self to injustice is not peace. It’s repression. Sooner or later a conflict will arise and the fake satisfaction will turn into anger.

    In the war against drugs in Mexico. There is a group of people that claim peace. There have been more than 30 thousand people killed since President Calderon took office.

    Peace ?

    That’s like saying. Let the cartel business run as usual and there will be no bloodshed. In that instance the criminal is controlling us in exchange for peace. They will screw you.

    No way.

    Those houses must be confiscated from those people. Letting them keep those houses will be like sending the message Madaffi was right.

    The USG had a war against the mafia because of the alcohol prohibition.The alcoholics won the battle. Do we have peace now that alcohol is legal ?
    Yes, until an alcoholic screws our lives.

    Peace ?

    • Christine says:

      Fair enough…there is no right and wrong in this, the reason those people are now residing in those properties is simply because of the regime.

      If people must regain their properties back – then by all means after all it is theirs. Although for Libya’s sake I hope it doesn’t blow into another bloodshed.

    • Christine says:

      Fredy, the word ‘peace’ may not be familliar to you but if this world would have any chance of survival, it is exactly what it needs to save it.

      Your comparisons between alchoholics and of those who have lost their homes is totally irrelevant by the way.

  13. patriot says:

    I’m sorry christine if you don’t know the difference between right and wrong you can do damage to anybody. Including yourself.

    • Christine says:

      You would be suprise to learn that people each have their own perception when it comes to what is ‘right’ and what is ‘wrong’…this is why people argue and create wars because they think what they say and do is ‘right’ when in the eyes of someone else it is ‘wrong’.

      If you don’t think I know the difference between the two then by all means make yourself feel right – this is not worth the argument (it’s about knowing how to pick your battle that counts).

  14. Fredy says:

    You don’t get it .

    Don’t be callous to injustice and disease Christine.

    There was a war against alcohol. Disease won.
    There is a war against drugs.Disease is winning.
    There is a war against a serial killer in command of a Libya.Who is losing ?
    Good for you and Donald Trump not for us. Who lost ?
    ————————————————————————————————————

    Did you see the movie Kaddafi our Best Enemy ?

    Thanks for the bibliographical description of events regarding the following :

    – Iran Air Flight 655 (IR655) was a civilian jet airliner shot down by U.S. missiles on 3 July 1988, over the Strait of Hormuz, toward the end of the Iran–Iraq War. The aircraft, an Airbus A300B2-203 operated by Iran Air, was flying from Bandar Abbas, Iran, to Dubai, United Arab Emirates, when it was destroyed by the U.S. Navy’s guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 66 children, ranking it seventh among the deadliest airliner .
    ————————————————————————————————————
    I was one of the ignorant ones, patriot. The media educates us. if our government does not confess their sins or mistakes to us they are guilty.

    Not us. We did not know.

    According to the documentary “Kaddafi Our Best Enemy ” this incident is the root cause of the Lockerbie airplane attack. It seems it was in retaliation to this incident above.

    Both wrong.

    But patriot if this is your foundation to support Maddafi you are going to be a victim of injustice or you are going to screw somebody else. The war will never end.

    What are we fighting for ?

    Do Iranians care about us Americans as much as we care for them ?

    That’s the thing.

    Then power starts fucking around.

    America supports Israel. Israel is a criminal in my book. Iran is against Israel. Iran is not so good. Neither is the USG. So let them chew themselves off.

    We are wrong if support wrong. We will pay the price if support wrong.

    Wrong is wrong and can only create wrong. Is a part of life

    How should fight wrong ?

    By living in wrongful standards because they are attractive ?

  15. Fredy says:

    Christine

    Have you heard the news Israel wants peace ?
    Then they killed 20 arabs in Syrian grounds.
    Because they are at war with Syria.
    They must be looking for peace with Palestine.

    Get involved. Wrong will do wrong for it’s own convinience
    But wrong won’t tell you wrong is good
    It does sound good. Wrong maybe be a victim of wisdom.

    • Christine says:

      There is a difference between ‘wanting’ peace and actually ‘creating’ peace – one is just a word and the other is an action.

  16. Fredy says:

    So the world wants peace ?
    Sure when the world is comfortable.
    When the world is not
    What happens ?

    The shit hits the fans ……

    We did not start the war someone brought upon us.

    • Christine says:

      In the perfect world – yes peace would be ideal.

      Don’t worry I’m not that naive – peace in this world will be somewhat out of reach. Unless ‘we’ people change our ways when it comes to greediness, selfishness and being egotistical then there will never be peace.

      This is what creates war.

  17. Fredy says:

    Only Ghandi was smart enough to fight the war brought upon him and his country peacefully and succeed . The aggressor will provoke you to justify his violence upon you. If you don’t risk anything to take control they will control you.

    Ghandi did not fall into that trap.

  18. Harald says:

    Another row of empty threats from Ghaddaffi.
    An attack of this kind against civilians ordered by Ghaddaffi in the EU would lead to a rapid military reaction of the EU members.
    If for example several hundred civilians in France, Spain or Italy were killed by an lybian attack, the other EU members would have no choice to support the attacked member and escalate the war.
    Members like Germany and Poland, until now reluctant to engage in military operation would enter the conflict with full force in support of their attacked alliance member.
    And the escalation would mean that army units would be sent in great numbers to take Tripoli and kill or arrest Ghaddaffi and his pawns.

  19. Fredy says:

    Harald

    This is just a reminder that the Libyan regime is at war against all Nato countries. They can attack any country against them . Nato countries know that.

    We just noticed this is the way it works. Is a surprise to us. Nato countries must feel amused by Daffi.

    Is not a threat is a warning in my opinion because both are at war.

    • Harald says:

      Yes Fredy, it is war.
      Until now, however Nato and EU have not sent ground forces.
      Because of UN resolution 1973 and the TNC not wanting foreign ground forces on lybian soil.
      What i meant is this would change if there is a direct attack on civilian targets in the EU.
      This escalation would be met with another escalation, in this case sending a huge multinational army (Citing self defense as reason, because of that no new UN resolution necessary).
      Although i am confident that the TNC will finally win, Ghaddaffi hopes that he can prevail.
      Surely he knows that his days are coming to a fast finish when the EU members send several well trained and equiped divisions with heavy artillery to end his regime.
      Combined with a TNC offensive on the other fronts about 60000 men landed in Misrata aided by the misratan fighters would take Tripoli in a matter of days.
      So it is a bad bluff.
      It takes more to scare the european coalition members 🙂

  20. Fredy says:

    Where do you live Harald ?

  21. Fredy says:

    Harald – Maddafi is going to lose, not because of NATO or the TNC but because of the bravery of the freedom fighters.

    How can you fight a whole country?
    That is what Gaddafi is trying to do.

    Europe is not Libya’s friend.
    They draw red lines.
    They were friends with Maddafi before.
    Before that Libya was a colony of Europe.
    Germany won’t help.
    They are selfish.

    I thank the fighters not NATO or the media.

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